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Email to the Board and Leadership Group - Mexican Condominium Regime Regulations
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Las Palmas HOA Fees
 
Las Palmas Leadership Group
 
The State of Sonora Condominium Law is not when translated into English a deep dark document to be feared by all North of the border.  Quite the contrary the law clearly in good order states the various requirements, authorities and methods by which condominiums are established and owner governed.  The law applies not only to one or some but to all condominium developments within Sonora and the resulting HOA's.
 
There are several reasons why neither the board nor owners have acted including the following:
 
1.  The board has become recalcitrant .
2.  The owners are uniformed or misinformed.
3.  Some owners fear an unfavorable distribution of HOA fees resulting from compliance with the law.  This applies to tower and villa owners.
4.  Reducing value of tower vote.
 
Under Sonora law HOA's have no board instead the owners appoint - vote - a surveillance committee designates one as chairman.  The law requires a minimum of three and a max of five.  Although the authority of the "board" is minimal having five members at Las Palmas may well have assured a path to resolution of non-compliance with Sonora State law.
 
Since few owners and perhaps no "board" member has read the law dis or miss information abounds.  The English translated law is only twenty - one single side pages long.
 
The real concern or fear of unfavorable distribution of fees is addresses by chapter IV, article 28, section II and chapter IV, article 30, section VII, paragraph 2 which provide, in part, votes equal to percentage of value of unit in relation to total condominium value and funds (fee) formed proportionally to the value of each unit.  This being law a variable rate fee scheme is the only method available and will provide the least fee for small one bedroom up proportionally through villas with an emphasis on the four bedroom or beach front villas.  Although unknown now, it is possible fees may be in the range currently proposed.
 
Miss handling of a dispute, by the board, over one unaccounted for vote has now spread from Sandy Beach to the Mayan Beach area.
 
This does not bode well for Las Palmas owners without agreement to State of Sonora law.  One or more of several events will occur.  They are:
 
1.  Resolution.
2.  No resolution.
3.  Additional fee withholding or non payment.
4.  State of Sonora intercedes.
 
Number two and three only continue the disruption, anger and financial impact which will negatively affect all owners.  Number four solves the problem however heavy handed or costly the ordered compliance order may be.   Any owner who would challenge number one as the only rational option is in serious need of a reality check up.
 
While other changes to the HOA regulations are required the immediate problem is to effect a compromise which returns financial stability to the HOA and at the same time appoints a committee or hires an attorney with the explicit order to achieve compliance with State of Sonora Condominium Law.
 
Without a compromise ASAP I would push in fact enable State of Sonora intervention.  No owner can be for resolution against a compromise as outlined above and remain creditable.  such rationale does not exist.
 
If you accept my reasoning and suggestion for resolution please as leaders explain the situation to the owners with any other ideas or comments.  Only with your good effort can resolution happen.
 
Jack Wiley
Grande 102 & 205


Posted on: 9/6/2009 7:50pm


Re: Email to the Board and Leadership Group - Mexican Condominium Regime Regulations
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Hi Jack,
The Board is being transparent and communicating in a responsible manner. It is the boards role to represent the owners and their best interest. It is the Board's belief that a resolution in the case is what the majority of the Las Palmas homeowners want.

As you know we are not a large Association and we are very open to recommendation during our meetings. Anytime someone has something they want to bring forward the board will bring to the membership. Unfortunately, some of the communication coming from Graham is all over the place. The information regarding anything that I can verify is at best half truths. It is difficult to respond to some of this stuff. Our board acts as a collective and requires 2/3rds to make decisions or act in official capacity. As you mentioned, we are all owners and all want to protect our investment regardless if its a condo or villas.

The CCR's are clear regarding making amendments to them. We are not the first. HOA's to make them. For example, the Sonoran Spa made an amendment to have their Rental company be exclusive to that resort and it was passed after they had a majority vote.

In my opinion ( speaking for myself only) it becomes very difficult to come to a resolution outside of the one we are working on currently. I am not sure exactly what the issues is beside the fee structure or what the alternatives are. We have had villa owners delinquent requesting hearings on something that hearings are not consistent with our situation and may be receiving advise to act in this capacity for whatever reason.

These situations are few, however do to one specific person muddying the waters we are spending additional time effort and money confirming the amendment to our CCR's to be valid and ensuring that this amendment is what the the majority wanted when the vote was passed on January 31,09.

To be honest I have called several owners in the past regarding the result of the last vote and I have spent hours talking specifically to Graham, respectfully hours that are hard to come by when we are busy with work and other obligations. I respect all owners and ran on the platform for making Las Palmas a better place for all condo and villa owners. I have received hundreds of e-mails about Graham and what he is saying and what he is doing. Not one e-mail about how well we have managed the resort this past year and how much money we have saved noted in our last report to the owners. We have kept our common fees down and implemented long term cost saving measures that will make us more efficient for years. If we continue this path our fees will go down again next year as long as nothing unforeseen happens. This makes our product more competitive in the marketplace for both condo and villa sales.

It is unfortunate that the focus has been so much on Graham and how he thinks he has not been treated fairly and claims that he only wants to help us make sure we are doing things right and following the proper processes. After several long discussions with him, it is my understanding that he wants to pay the same as all owners when it comes to common fees regardless of size or area of his unit. If he cannot, then he has suggested that he receive more voting representation to reflect the fees or even proposed for the resort to have individual services for his villa and the other villas separate from everyone else so that he would pay for his own water and maintenance. Although these are all things that are not consistent with our CCR's not to mention extreme, he can still bring these things forward and even bring them to a vote Although these are items that would benefit his position and require amendments to our CCR's. they had very little to do with how this was going to benefit the HOA in general and how this will keep Las Palmas as one community.

To conclude, if there was any doubt in the process to amend the CCR's on January 31,09 then the board has decided to hold a vote on the processes specific to the the fee structure as to owners agreeing with the result or not agreeing with the results.

I can assure you and the rest of the owners, the board has taken extra steps to ensure this vote and process is completed in accordance with our CCR's. The vote will be processed in the presents of an attorney as well as a notary public. Let the chips fall where they may. the results will give definitive direction on the Board moving forward. It is my request that we as owners focus on what we need to do and do not allow one person to become a distraction to the point where this person is not a reflection of our reality.

If there is anything that you can add or help us with to assist in any resolution I will be in Phoenix Monday and Tuesday then will be in Penasco Wednesday to Saturday. Please feel free to call me at my Phoenix number 1 602 449 - 0576. Perhaps we can meet to discuss further.

Thank you for the information and your help. Hope to see you and all of the rest of owners assisting the board at the meeting.

Dan Dimovski
HOA Board Member
Las Palmas

Posted on: 9/7/2009 5:31pm


Re: Email to the Board and Leadership Group - Mexican Condominium Regime Regulations
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Dan, I would like to clarify a few things: 

1)         You and I have not talked since March 1, 2009, when you called me to discuss the audit of the vote, and it was not for “hours”.  Not one single conversation with you since March.

2)         There is no amendment, on file with the Sonoran Records Department, to amend the wording of the CC&R’s to allow a variable rate assessment.

3)         If you can show me an amendment that has been filed in accordance with the Sonoran State Condominium Law, I will stop talking about the CC&R’s and move on.

Thank you

Graham H. Robins

 


Posted on: 9/7/2009 5:31pm


Re: Email to the Board and Leadership Group - Mexican Condominium Regime Regulations
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Dan,

Thank you for replying to the last of several comments I have made concerning Las Palmas CC&R's, fees, voting and compliance with State of Sonora Condominium Law. Also noted are substantial HOA cost savings required by lower than projected income.

However I must restate facts as follows:

1. No owner meeting, board or administrator may change, by amendment or fiat, the regulations of State of Sonora Condominium HOA's that are contrary to the law.

2. No section, article, paragraph or sub-paragraph within Las Palmas regulations (CC&R's) provide for a fee change schedule that is in compliance with the law.

3. The above statement applies to weighted voting by owners.

4. No management can, regardless of the dispute, permit the organization to become entangled in an ever expanding roil created by lack of understanding. Graham has stated several regulations impinging upon the last and upcoming fee change vote. All of his statements that I have read have been on point, courteous and factual.

5. Neither Graham nor I would enact or even propose all of the chapters, articles and sections of the State of Sonora Condominium Law, however, every HOA within the State must, I repeat must comply.

I and other are ready and willing to assist in resolving the flawed documents that lead to unnecessary discord within the Las Palmas owners. Just as ignorance of the law is no excuse failure to become compliant after the fact is unacceptable.

Read the law!

Jack Wiley

Posted on: 9/8/2009 4:08pm